Has anyone seen this?

[arctic_blue83]

Has anyone seen this carbon fiber hood for the Mazdaspeed 6? Me personally, I think it's sexy as hell!! It's what Mazda should have done from the factory... I know my Speed6 had horrible heat soak issues, whereas my 2 Subaru's with TMIC's that had hood scoops didn't have nearly as much of a problem, I could see this hood helping a ton with heat soak on the stock Speed6 TMIC, and looks more aggressive, kind of like the new STI/Legacy GT... me likey. Not to mention saving 22-24 lbs from the heavy as sin stock hood, check this out:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b346/roninsoldier83/speed6hood.jpg

If someone made a knock off, and I still had my Speed6, I would totally rock this hood! Too bad on the price though, ouch:
http://www.streetunit.com/FI_CF_Hood_MS6_p/fih-ms6v.htm

[GR-8]

I've been saying to myself someone needs to make something like this. Make one for the 3?

[SpeedRacer]

might as well just go steal a new 08 STI's hood :P

[6i_guy]

I disagree Josh, it's not nearly as aggressive. this one is very nice...I like how it is functional and subtle at the same time.

[GR-8]

Mebe. or make a nicer scoop. An agressive one. Not a sissy one. :P. Just do a FMIC.

[SpeedRacer]

I was joking :P

[GR-8]

Really now. :P

[6i_guy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SpeedRacer @ Apr 3 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=38181)</div>I was joking :P[/b]

I disagree...you are a very serious person who is excellent at painting emblems with paint thinner....

[SpeedRacer]

stfu before I call immigration on yer ***.

[6i_guy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SpeedRacer @ Apr 4 2008, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=38186)</div>stfu before I call immigration on yer ***.[/b]

do it. doooo it! get me deported....that way I can't out post whore you. No internet in mexico... :lol:

[bobopud]

Sorry, but not my style at all. Part of the reason I bought the speed6 is because I didn't like the "aggressive" looks of the STI's and the EVO's of the world.

It would be nice to save the weight, but hood scoops steal away that stealth look.

[Army RX8]

http://www.visracing.com/oldcatalog/advanc...t=2a&page=2 (http://www.visracing.com/oldcatalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=mazda&sort=2a&page=2)
A couple of other options for Speed 6 hoods

[bobopud]

I didn't see any in the link for a speed 6, just the regular 6. We need some extra room under the hood for the TMIC and its ducting. Maybe I just missed them though.

[6i_guy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bobopud @ Apr 4 2008, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=38252)</div>I didn't see any in the link for a speed 6, just the regular 6. We need some extra room under the hood for the TMIC and its ducting. Maybe I just missed them though.[/b]

nor did i, moot for me as I don't have one, but was looking for a subtle lip spoiler...was not able to find one...my search continues.

[arctic_blue83]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bobopud @ Apr 4 2008, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=38221)</div>Sorry, but not my style at all. Part of the reason I bought the speed6 is because I didn't like the "aggressive" looks of the STI's and the EVO's of the world.

It would be nice to save the weight, but hood scoops steal away that stealth look.[/b]

True it would take away from the stealth look, but it seems as though it might actually be functional... which I guess is why I don't mind (actually like) the looks of the STI/EVO, yeah, not a lot of pretty, subtle curves, but pretty much everything is functional. That's just me though, I'm an odd guy... although, the more I think about it, if I still had my Speed6, before I would spend $1000 on a hood, I would probably just buy a FMIC instead to combat heat soak... just thought the hood was cool :)

[firestoned]

Ive seen this hood, and Ive puked before.....I almost puked again.... makes it look like a damn neon....

[arctic_blue83]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (firestoned @ Apr 4 2008, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=38399)</div>Ive seen this hood, and Ive puked before.....I almost puked again.... makes it look like a damn neon....[/b]

LOL, to each his own... I like it.... but then again, I like Subaru's which most people consider ugly, so there goes my taste in cars when it comes to aesthetics lol.

[6i_guy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (arctic_blue83 @ Apr 4 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=38324)</div>True it would take away from the stealth look, but it seems as though it might actually be functional... which I guess is why I don't mind (actually like) the looks of the STI/EVO, yeah, not a lot of pretty, subtle curves, but pretty much everything is functional. That's just me though, I'm an odd guy... although, the more I think about it, if I still had my Speed6, before I would spend $1000 on a hood, I would probably just buy a FMIC instead to combat heat soak... just thought the hood was cool :)[/b]

you make a good point, although functional, a fmic would be more effective for the $$

[Speed6mps]

I loved the hood when I first bought my speed6 and browsed SUdotcom but the price is redic. and I love the sleeper look the unique car puts out. I would just paint it this is my dream 6 Gotta love carbon looks on reds>>>
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/DevUhStatur/evms5__Small.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/DevUhStatur/evms4__Small.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/DevUhStatur/evms1__Small.jpg

[MS3_Mafia]

^That does look nice, just needs a drop.

[SpeedRacer]

thats really nice..

[Speed6mps]

Nooooom no drop, I dont care about aerodynamics, .0001 seconds dont matter :P I love the stock sus.

[Robert_K]

Sorry but fail. Reminds me of the fake scoop on the last gen Mustangs.

[SpeedRacer]

hush texas man :P

[Robert_K]

You're saying that cause you know I'm right. LOL ;)

[arctic_blue83]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Robert_K @ Apr 11 2008, 05:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=40091)</div>Sorry but fail. Reminds me of the fake scoop on the last gen Mustangs.[/b]

... but this scoop would be functional.... if you had experienced the random heat soak events these cars have due to lack of ducting to the TMIC, you might think differently.... but if you don't like the way it looks, meh, whatever floats your boat :)

[Robert_K]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (arctic_blue83 @ Apr 11 2008, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=40104)</div>... but this scoop would be functional.... if you had experienced the random heat soak events these cars have due to lack of ducting to the TMIC, you might think differently.... but if you don't like the way it looks, meh, whatever floats your boat :)[/b]

That's why FMIC > TMIC! :koolaidman:

[arctic_blue83]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Robert_K @ Apr 11 2008, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=40113)</div>That's why FMIC > TMIC! :koolaidman:[/b]

Yeah... I agree completely. If this hood was considerably cheaper, I could see more merit in buying it.... but yeah, for the money I would rather just buy a FMIC. Just thought it was a cool looking hood that had some functionality, I guess I just like hoodscoops on cars with TMIC's lol. Note the only manufacturer car that I've owned more than one of is Subaru :lol:

[Roadrnr06]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Robert_K @ Apr 11 2008, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=40113)</div>That's why FMIC > TMIC! :koolaidman:[/b]
Going from a TMIC to a FMIC you would need some good power mods to even need it. Most cars that are TMIC and then go FMIC get slower with out a bigger turbo like a Subie. A FMIC will take longer to spool the turbo and with that much piping you will lose bost psi.Ther would also be a lose in some of the low end tq. I like the hood alot.

[Robert_K]

Turbo's are spooled from exhaust gases off of the manifold. Than the compressed air from spooling turbo is sent through the intercooler to "cool" before entering the intake manifold. The I/C piping has nothing to do with turbo spool. Also if the wastegate is set to 10psi you'll have 10psi throughout the whole system.

[arctic_blue83]

Robert is correct to an extent, piping doesn't affect spool time, although it might take slightly longer for the pressure (boost) to completely pressurize the piping, which can sometimes add just a tad bit of "lag"... although in many cases, this is negated by an intercooler core with a lower pressure drop. I've datalogged boost pressures on WRX's with stock TMIC's vs FMIC's and have seen peak boost pressures come in at the exact same RPM on both setups, it really depends on the setup, and the efficiency of the FMIC core you're using.

You also shouldn't make less power either... think about it, if your stock TMIC has let's say a 3psi pressure drop, meaning, that during the heat exchange process, you lose 3 PSI of boost by the time it gets to the manifold... so if you're seeing 15psi at the manifold (most people with Mazdaspeeds tap the factory BPV connected to the manifold for boost pressure), your turbo is actually pushing 18psi, it's just losing 3psi going through the intercooler. Now, if you're running a FMIC that has a lower pressure drop, let's say 1psi, if your turbo is still pushing the same 18psi, at the manifold, you should now be seeing 17psi as opposed to the 15psi you were with the stock manifold... in theory there should be no power loss, and, on top of that, if you adjust the boost to see the same pressure at the manifold as you did with the TMIC, so we'll say 15psi, now because of the lower pressure drop, your turbo will only have to push 16psi in order to see 15psi at the manifold... meaning, your turbo wouldn't have to work as hard, and in the process, since your turbo would be spinning at a lower RPM, you should also see lower IAT's, which could not only result in more power (although probably minimal gains if any) but the lower IAT's will more importantly make the car more resistant to detonation. More resistant to detonation would mean less likely you are to get knock counts... less knock counts means a happier ECU... happier ECU means it's less likely to pull timing, which would have decreased overall power. This is a good thing.

Now, if you are seeing a loss in power, it's most likely for one of the following reasons:

1. You have a boost leak. With a FMIC, you have a lot more piping, more couplings to tighten, hoses to connect, ect, it's very easy to have a boost leak if you don't know what you're doing and don't clamp everything down properly.

2. Your factory BCS (boost control solenoid) is allowing the wastegate to bleed more boost. This is also common among certain cars, and also the reason why some people bolt on an intercooler with a lower pressure drop, and at first the car feels faster, but this effect slowly dwindles over time. Your car has a MAP (manifold absolute pressure) sensor, that often times works in conjunction with your BCS. When the MAP sensor sees 17psi, yet, something in your ECU's algorithm says you should only be seeing 15psi, it can allow the BCS to not bleed off as much pressure coming from the compressor housing, which would cause your wastegate to open at a lower boost level, bleeding off more boost pressure, resulting in the same (or sometimes lower) boost pressure at the manifold as you were seeing before swapping to a more efficient intercooler.

The only way to combat your factory BCS bleeding off boost... engine management. Or of course a boost controller, which essentially takes your factory BCS out of the loop somewhat, and allows you to set you boost to the level of your liking. The problem with a boost controller without any other form of EM, is that you obviously wouldn't be tuned for it, and could run lean in some areas, which could lead to motor damage depending on how lean you're running that car... that combined with the fact that if you take your ECU's boost control out of the loop, that's another safety parameter you no longer have, as the ECU will now have no way to bleed boost off in the case of a run lean condition, or overboost.

Boost controllers can be wonderful tools IMO, but only when paired with a good source of engine management. Their ability to control boost can in some cars helps make and hold boost where the OEM BCS would have trouble, but in order to be on the safe side, you must run some form of EM and tune for it. Most people (like myself), just prefer to tune with the factory BCS if possible, mostly just for simplicities sake, as for most applications, the OEM BCS is more than adequate. Especially in the case of the Mazdaspeed 3/6, as I've heard they have very advanced BCS' from the factory.

Now, with that said, in order to actually make more power out of a FMIC setup, in most cases, you're going to have to make sure you have no leaks, and of course... tune for it.

I would recommend a FMIC for non-horsepower reasons though. Do you know why Mazda used a TMIC for the Speed3/6? Cost cutting and ease of packaging. It's an inferior design (to a FMIC) that is more prone to heat soak. I would recommend a FMIC to anyone just for it's increased ability to cut down on heat soak... when the TMIC gets hot, not only does your pressure density go down (colder air is denser) which brings down power, the higher IAT's (intake air temperatures) go up, and higher IAT's are more likely to detonate... so not only do you lose power when your car is heat soaked, it's more likely to det.... if it dets, even just a couple of minor knock counts that probably won't hurt the motor (probably won't, doesn't mean they can't), your car is equipped with a knock sensor from the factory, which, it's signal is transferred to the ECU... when the ECU sees a knock count, what do you think it does? Likely it pulls timing, in an attempt to make the car run safer... what happens when you retard timing? You lose power.

Which is why in short, I recommend a FMIC to anyone who is serious about eliminating heat soak.... even on a stock turbo.

Side note: Just to let you know, not sure what you meant about a "larger turbo like a Subie", as yes, the STI's VF39/43 is larger than the Speed's K04, but not all Subies run a VF-series turbo, the 02-07 WRX's ran a TD04-13T, which in fact is actually smaller than the Speed's K04. So, not all Subies have "larger turbos". Just an FYI.

[Speed6mps]

The Mach 1's scoops look great, I like this one just a bit unoriginal.

[Rich]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>....Which is why in short, I recommend a FMIC to anyone who is serious about eliminating heat soak.... even on a stock turbo. .......[/b]

"In short" my ***! :24ae9f07: Good explanation though, and I agree 100% cost:benefit is better with the FMIC vs. ricer hood.

[TJditallo]

Personaly I think the hood looks sick I would do it if I had the money plus its functional and OMG I just notticed, hey Speed6mps I just notticed you had a speed 6 with a non stock spoiler. Where the hell did u get that from I like a raised spoiler compared to the stock one.